Message 46ab0a8d0UP-5866-856-07.htm, number 1, was posted on Sun Jan 22 '06 at 14:17:07
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William Cox [70.171.10.141]
wmcox@williamcox.org
OCS Arch at Fort Benning, GA
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Welcome!
William Cox [70.171.10.141]
wmcox@williamcox.org
If it doesn't offend or disrepect others, it's probably okay by us. Set down your ruck and flop. Breath easy. It's been a long hump. Sit a spell . . .
OCS Arch at Fort Benning, GA
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Welcome!
William Cox [70.171.10.141]
wmcox@williamcox.org
If it doesn't offend or disrepect others, it's probably okay by us. Set down your ruck and flop. Breathe easy. It's been a long hump. Sit a spell . . .
OCS Arch at Fort Benning, GA
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Welcome!
William Cox [70.171.10.141]
wmcox@williamcox.org
If it doesn't offend or disrepect others, it's probably okay by us. Set down your ruck and flop. Breathe easy. It's been a long hump. Sit a spell . . .
OCS Arch at Fort Benning, GA
[ This message was edited on Sun Jan 22 '06 at 2:35pm by the author ]
Message 46ab0a8d0UP-5878-321-00.htm, number 1, was posted on Fri Feb 3 '06 at 05:21:32
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wmcox@williamcox.org
Message 46ab0a8d0UP-5878-337-00.htm, number 2, was posted on Fri Feb 3 '06 at 05:37:29
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wmcox@williamcox.org
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wmcox@williamcox.org
Message 46ab0a8d0UP-5878-357-00.htm, number 6, was posted on Fri Feb 3 '06 at 05:57:44
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wmcox@williamcox.org
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Blue Heron
William Cox [70.171.10.141]
wmcox@williamcox.org
[ This message was edited on Fri Feb 3 '06 by William Cox ]
Message 4764e62952a-5878-478+00.htm, number 7, was posted on Fri Feb 3 '06 at 07:58:04
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Re: Blue Heron
Bill Payne [71.100.230.41]
canflo1@msn.com
Message 46ab0a8d0UP-5878-485+00.htm, number 8, was posted on Fri Feb 3 '06 at 08:04:33
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gotta love it
William Cox [70.171.10.141]
wmcox@williamcox.org
On Fri Feb 3 '06, Bill Payne wrote
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>Ain't Florida grand?
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William Cox [70.171.10.141]
wmcox@williamcox.org
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Blue Heron
William Cox [70.171.10.141]
wmcox@williamcox.org
Message 0498f049P4U-5879-851-00.htm, number 14, was posted on Sat Feb 4 '06 at 14:14:53
I didn't shoot this ...
Pat Cruciano [4.152.240.73]
phcruciano@rcn.com
Good looks run in the family
Message 049809abP4U-5879-1147-00.htm, number 15, was posted on Sat Feb 4 '06 at 19:18:52
My treasures
Pat Cruciano [4.152.9.171]
phcruciano@rcn.com
Dances With Bedpans, JWD
Why can't they share just one cat?
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My treasures
Pat Cruciano [4.152.9.171]
phcruciano@rcn.com
Dances With Bedpans, JWD
Why can't they share just one cat?
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Re: My treasures
William Cox [70.171.10.141]
wmcox@williamcox.org
>Dances With Bedpans, JWD
Message 46ab0a8d0UP-5880-530-00.htm, number 17, was posted on Sun Feb 5 '06 at 08:51:14
What do you think of this forum type?
William Cox [70.171.10.141]
wmcox@williamcox.org
Check it out if you have time and let me know what you think. Should I post a of this type to replace this old Ceilidh Hootch Talk Forum?
Thanks for any opinions!
William
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What do you think of this forum type?
William Cox [70.171.10.141]
wmcox@williamcox.org
Check it out if you have time and let me know what you think. Should I post a of this type to replace this old Ceilidh Hootch Talk Forum?
Thanks for any opinions!
William
[ This message was edited on Sun Feb 5 '06 at 11:27am by William Cox ]
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What do you think of this forum type?
William Cox [70.171.10.141]
wmcox@williamcox.org
Check it out if you have time and let me know what you think. Register and post a reply - if you have time.
Should I post a forum of this type to replace this old Ceilidh Hootch Talk Forum?
Thanks for any opinions!
William
[ This message was edited on Sun Feb 5 '06 at 11:29am by William Cox ]
Message 46ab0a8d0UP-5882-886-00.htm, number 18, was posted on Tue Feb 7 '06 at 14:46:44
One of those days . . .
William Cox [70.171.10.141]
wmcox@williamcox.org
Message 46ab0a8d0UP-5883-178-00.htm, number 20, was posted on Wed Feb 8 '06 at 02:59:09
From the Internet
William Cox [70.171.10.141]
wmcox@williamcox.org
Message 46ab0a8d0UP-5895-1295-00.htm, number 21, was posted on Mon Feb 20 '06 at 21:35:00
Our CombatVetsWeb Toolbar
William Cox [70.171.10.141]
wmcox@williamcox.org
But what this post is about is my company's toolbar, which I'm proud to offer for free. It has Web search, site search, image search, dictionary, encyclopedia, an RSS feed from CombatVetsWEb, driving directions, digital clock with seconds displayed, and an alert button which keeps you advised if you have new email in your POP email account(s). The toolbar also has a popup blocker with commands to "clear browser cashe", "clear browser history", and "delete browser cookies", all of which can be handy right on your toolbar. The toolbar also includes a 24/7 one click private chat room that only permits users who have the CombatVetsWeb toolbar installed. Click the chat icon, you're there!
You can view the toolbar (the screenshot doesn't display ALL the toolbars features) at:
[ http://combatvetsweb.com/combatvetswebtoolbar.html ]
And you can download the toolbar at:
[ http://combatvetsweb.com/CombatVetsWeb2.exe ]
Within the next few days I'm adding a radio player to the toolbar and when I do any toolbars previously downloaded with be updated with the radio player option automatically. If anyone has suggestions for Internet radio stations I should include as selections in our radio player, let me know. Of course you can navigate to any station with the player, but I need to test them for functionality before I add them to players drop-down menu.
There are no viruses, spyware, adware or popups with this toolbar. It's an attractive, useful tool I designed to be of use to combat veterans with short fuses and low tolerance. Any feature on the toolbar not needed can be unselected and it will "go away." Then if you need it later, you can re-select it.
I hope some of you will enjoy our new toolbar, free and easy.
William Cox
1/52d Inf NAM 68-69
www.combatvetsweb.com
www.williamcox.org
Message ac8acc9e00A-5899-1017-00.htm, number 22, was posted on Fri Feb 24 '06 at 16:59:33
Heeelllllllllooooooooo Willy
MTF [172.138.204.158]
MTF
Love you, Little Shotup Brother!
Message 44fa81e7M6o-5900-939+00.htm, number 23, was posted on Sat Feb 25 '06 at 15:39:25
in reply to ac8acc9e00A-5899-1017-00.htm
Ed/Will
linda [68.250.129.231]
lbeder@sbcglobal.net
Ed have you thought about getting your book republished for this generation to read ?
I wonder if Patience/Patience Press,Sidran or Presidio would pick it up ?
as always,
Linda
Message aca51e8000A-5900-944+00.htm, number 24, was posted on Sat Feb 25 '06 at 15:43:42
in reply to ac8acc9e00A-5899-1017-00.htm
Re: Heeelllllllllooooooooo Willy
MTF [172.165.30.128]
A MACV compound was overrun end of January..beginning of February (1970)near Don Doung. Two SF Sergeants killed and a Major, all set on fire in ditch. The major was decapitated and his head perched up on top of the ditch. Seven ARVNs were found dead. Another 80 had hit the trail.
Some Engineer types went to the rescue but were too late. Need info if you can help me!
MTF
>I need some help! Find SFC Robert Bottoms, HHC, 577th Engr Bn, 18th Bde. Or info on Capt Strang (company C.O.) circa Jan/Feb 70.
>MTF
>Love you, Little Shotup Brother!
Message aca51e8000A-5900-946+00.htm, number 25, was posted on Sat Feb 25 '06 at 15:45:56
in reply to 44fa81e7M6o-5900-939+00.htm
Re: Ed/Will
MTF [172.165.30.128]
I have given it some thought.
I am up for a CMOH. If I get it, I will republish the book.
Hugs and kisses,
MTF
On Sat Feb 25 '06 3:39pm, linda wrote
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>If I can assist, let me know.
> Ed have you thought about getting your book republished for this generation to read ?
> I wonder if Patience/Patience Press,Sidran or Presidio would pick it up ?
> as always,
> Linda
Message 44fa81e7M6o-5900-981+00.htm, number 26, was posted on Sat Feb 25 '06 at 16:21:45
in reply to aca51e8000A-5900-946+00.htm
Re^2: Ed/Will
linda [68.250.129.231]
lbeder@sbcglobal.net
fondly,
Linda
Message ac801f5b00A-5900-1042+00.htm, number 27, was posted on Sat Feb 25 '06 at 17:22:32
in reply to 44fa81e7M6o-5900-981+00.htm
Re^3: Ed/Will
MTF [172.128.31.91]
Thanks for the kind words.
Ed
On Sat Feb 25 '06 4:21pm, linda wrote
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> I remember when you started the process. After all your data is collected/submitted what is the process from there ? What committees review,etc and how does it make it's way to the top ?
>Any time frame that you'll have an answer within ?
> This is exciting, you are very deserving of this honor !
> fondly,
> Linda
Message d11a73c13UG-5900-1253-00.htm, number 28, was posted on Sat Feb 25 '06 at 20:53:44
Hey Will, gotta question........
Fluff [209.26.115.193]
livelylisa2001@yahoo.com
You need to come down for a visit, there's plenty of room here and plenty of rockers on the porch.
Message 46ab0a8d0UP-5901-914+00.htm, number 29, was posted on Sun Feb 26 '06 at 15:15:03
in reply to ac8acc9e00A-5899-1017-00.htm
Just noticed . . .
William Cox [70.171.10.141]
wmcox@williamcox.org
will
On Fri Feb 24 '06 4:59pm, MTF wrote
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>I need some help! Find SFC Robert Bottoms, HHC, 577th Engr Bn, 18th Bde. Or info on Capt Strang (company C.O.) circa Jan/Feb 70.
>MTF
>Love you, Little Shotup Brother!
Message 46ab0a8d0UP-5901-922+00.htm, number 30, was posted on Sun Feb 26 '06 at 15:24:51
in reply to d11a73c13UG-5900-1253-00.htm
Answers . . .
William Cox [70.171.10.141]
wmcox@williamcox.org
Regarding the slide show, it was actually a movie [.wmv ] made with Microsoft Plus Digital Media Edition, Photo Story. It's an excellent program well worth the price. However, searching google with provide you with several good free slideshow makers, some of which will produce output publishable to the Web. The best free one I ever used had "flyer" somewhere in the name, I believe.
It's good to see you and MTF back on this board, L.
will
On Sat Feb 25 '06 8:53pm, Fluff wrote
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>Remember a good while back, you posted a slideshow of your photos on the FFZ. I'm curious as to how you did that. Did you have to upload it to a website or were you able to post it from your own computer files? I've really gotten into the photography thing as of late and I'm enjoying it a lot. I'd like to post some of my slideshows on different boards that I'm on, but I'm not sure how to do it. You are the only one that I can think of that has ever posted a slideshow.
>You need to come down for a visit, there's plenty of room here and plenty of rockers on the porch.
One of the ponds at my apartment . . .
Message aca9943800A-5902-591-00.htm, number 31, was posted on Mon Feb 27 '06 at 09:51:13
More info...corrections
MTF [172.169.148.56]
Former SP-4 Larry R. Carlile is the vet I am trying to help.
Thanks little Bro. Can Jawje help!
Standing by, guns are hot
MTF
Message d11a732d3UG-5902-1187+00.htm, number 32, was posted on Mon Feb 27 '06 at 19:47:36
in reply to 46ab0a8d0UP-5901-922+00.htm
Thanks...
Fluff [209.26.115.45]
livelylisa2001@yahoo.com
Whenever you are ready, head on down...if you like to fish, you might bring a pole with you. That's about the only thing to do around here close by other than eat. There's plenty of things around that are driving distance though. Me and Tommy, we pretty well just hole up here. He calls it Fortress Fluffster. Anyway, just shoot him or me an e-mail or call us (you still have the number???) and let us know when you are heading this way so we make sure we're home.
No, it's not that far to Gainesville, probably three hours. It's two hours to Ocala. I haven't been to Gainesville in a long time, cause when we go to Texas we cut off on Alt 27, so I can't remember exactly how long it takes to get there.
Thanks again for the info.
Fluff
On Sun Feb 26 '06 3:24pm, William Cox wrote
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>Hi Fluff . . . Yes, I will definately make arrangements soon for a visit. It's not that far, in fact I've used Google Earth to fly the route and see what it looks like.
>Regarding the slide show, it was actually a movie [.wmv ] made with Microsoft Plus Digital Media Edition, Photo Story. It's an excellent program well worth the price. However, searching google with provide you with several good free slideshow makers, some of which will produce output publishable to the Web. The best free one I ever used had "flyer" somewhere in the name, I believe.
>It's good to see you and MTF back on this board, L.
>will
>
>
>
>On Sat Feb 25 '06 8:53pm, Fluff wrote
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>>Remember a good while back, you posted a slideshow of your photos on the FFZ. I'm curious as to how you did that. Did you have to upload it to a website or were you able to post it from your own computer files? I've really gotten into the photography thing as of late and I'm enjoying it a lot. I'd like to post some of my slideshows on different boards that I'm on, but I'm not sure how to do it. You are the only one that I can think of that has ever posted a slideshow.
>>You need to come down for a visit, there's plenty of room here and plenty of rockers on the porch.
Message 46ab0a8d0UP-5905-482+00.htm, number 33, was posted on Thu Mar 2 '06 at 08:01:49
in reply to aca9943800A-5902-591-00.htm
Sorry, Ed
William Cox [70.171.10.141]
wmcox@williamcox.org
Good luck, Big Brother.
william
On Mon Feb 27 '06 9:51am, MTF wrote
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>Will, the correct spelling of the village, near the MACV compound, was Dong Zoung. The fight started about 0200 hours.
>Here are some names of members of the reactionary force: Sp-4 Jim Brookshire, Sp-4 Johnny Stills, Sp-4 Merril, Sp-4 Kenneth Mantell, PFC James Rice and SFC Robert Bottoms.
>The reactionary force of 87 men stood by until daylight with two 2 1/2 ton trucks and an APC. The explosions, tracers etc. stopped around 0400 hours. The force deployed from the Engineers compound at first light (0530 hours.) SFC Bottoms was coordinating with a Captain Strang.
>Upon arrival, they discovered two SF sergeants and an SF Capt or Maj KIA. The three U.S. were lying in a ditch and had been set on fire. All three showed bullet wounds. The officer was decapitated and his head was placed on top of the ditch. There were 12 ARVN KIA's. Approximately 100 ARVN's were POW or didi maued!
>Former SP-4 Larry R. Carlile is the vet I am trying to help.
>Thanks little Bro. Can Jawje help!
>Standing by, guns are hot
>MTF
Message 44fa81e7M6o-5906-1003+00.htm, number 34, was posted on Fri Mar 3 '06 at 16:43:49
in reply to 46ab0a8d0UP-5905-482+00.htm
Ed
linda [68.250.129.231]
lbeder@sbcglobal.net
or contacted Cecil
cecil13@direcway.com
his site (near the bottom) lists Leonard Doty as a member of the 577th also (I think B Co. though)
http://www.angelfire.com/ok3/cecilH/
I have Leonard's email if the above two don't work for leads for the info you're looking for.
Other than that, the National Archives.
Message cdf40cb300A-5996-141-00.htm, number 35, was posted on Thu Jun 1 '06 at 02:21:27
Linda??
mutt [205.244.12.179]
Message 46ab014a0UP-6004-169+00.htm, number 36, was posted on Fri Jun 9 '06 at 02:49:07
in reply to cdf40cb300A-5996-141-00.htm
Re: Linda??
William Cox [70.171.1.74]
wmcox@williamcox.org
William
On Thu Jun 1 '06 2:21am, mutt wrote
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>Has anyone heard any thing from her.. I pray she is ok!
Message 46e5cf5600A-6035-433+00.htm, number 37, was posted on Mon Jul 10 '06 at 07:12:58
in reply to cdf40cb300A-5996-141-00.htm
Hi Mutt,
Linda [70.229.207.86]
I finally started Cardiac Rehab 7/7. I go 3x/wk until end of Sept.
Edie was 9 on 7/9. Because she's small she's 56 or 57 instead of 63 in people years. Hmmm...that doesn't seem to be working for me,lol!
fondly,
Linda
Message 46ab014a0UP-6038-790+00.htm, number 38, was posted on Thu Jul 13 '06 at 13:09:45
in reply to 46e5cf5600A-6035-433+00.htm
Re: Hi Mutt,
William Cox [70.171.1.74]
wmcox@williamcox.org
On Mon Jul 10 '06 7:12am, Linda wrote
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> Darn I forgot my username & password !
>
> Here's an update ... (Will,thanks for your's to Mike.)
> I finally started Cardiac Rehab 7/7. I go 3x/wk until end of Sept.
> Edie was 9 on 7/9. Because she's small she's 56 or 57 instead of 63 in people years. Hmmm...that doesn't seem to be working for me,lol!
> fondly,
> Linda
Message 46e34f0d00A-6041-1098-00.htm, number 39, was posted on Sun Jul 16 '06 at 18:18:26
Yoga & PTSD Vets
Linda [70.227.79.13]
Message 46e34f0dKpk-6042-348+00.htm, number 40, was posted on Mon Jul 17 '06 at 05:47:46
in reply to 46ab014a0UP-6038-790+00.htm
Re^2: Hi Mutt,
Linda [70.227.79.13]
lbeder@sbcglobal.net
as always,
Linda
Message 46ab014a0UP-6042-601+00.htm, number 41, was posted on Mon Jul 17 '06 at 10:01:15
in reply to 46e34f0d00A-6041-1098-00.htm
good stuff
William Cox [70.171.1.74]
wmcox@williamcox.org
On Sun Jul 16 '06 6:18pm, Linda wrote
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>http://www.himalayaninstitute.org/YogaInternational/YIFeature3.aspx
>
Message cdf40cda00A-6043-359+00.htm, number 42, was posted on Tue Jul 18 '06 at 06:02:11
in reply to 46e34f0dKpk-6042-348+00.htm
Re^3: Hi Mutt,
mutt [205.244.12.218]
>as always,
> Linda
**** Wait a minute i am mutt! O don't know mine either!! Glad to see your doing better Linda! Believe it or not.. Now i think what happened to me was posion!!
That crazy First cousin of mine.. Well it sure was strange! Now mine you i had not spent 6 minutes with him since we were young teens! i never could stand him! Always bragging and hollering! D*m that grates my nerves.
any who after that crazy woman pulled her stuff.. I wes laying in here on my bed with chest pains trying to decide wheather to call 911
or not.. (I'd run him out to the store that day. he said he was broke so i ask him if he needs any thing? he says maybe a 12 pack of beer..
well against my better judegement i gave him some money well he bought a case! Well he got drunk and cooked hamburger stakes.. They tasted good.) Anyway i was laying here knowing what signs to watch for.. Like that was not enough!
My sister was here too! so he comes back here and starts in.. They ain't nothing wrong with you but you need to get off them meds! i said i know! But i got to do it slow... And he was hollering and you need to take sea salt!! I ask the man nice twice to leave and i'[d talk to him the next day.. Well he just got louder!! Great i got the best luck! He started hollering at me again and pokeing his finger on my table. he says theres not a thing wrong with you but all them Dam meds they got you on and you just need to get off them dam things..
My heart has got to be better than i thought.. Cause i finally just snaped! I jumped up and i told him get your dam sorry ass out there in that s*it hole of a trap you got or i'm calling the law! The next day i told him there is going to be no more drinking around here!!!
Can't recall if it was that morning or the next.. But i believe it was that one when it happened to me! I'm sure now in a few more minutes i would have been dead..
And this is where i agree with Will! I hate Fakes!! Tho they come in different shapes and sizes.. now i knew that man was never in nam! he spent a little time in germany before they kicked him out!
I think that Ped him off too! i was out there talking to him one day
and i asked him was you in nam? why hell yeah man!!!! 101 airborne..
Dam door gunner!! Bullet came up tho the chopper and got me right there in the thiegh!!
So i look him in the eye and said.. oh! You got a purple heart then!
The man turned his head and said didn't want the dam thing!
i told him right then.. Man your lieing! yeah! yeah i think he posioned me! He left out with out telling me and i've not heard a word..
Message 44fd14a2Kpk-6050-656+00.htm, number 43, was posted on Tue Jul 25 '06 at 10:56:31
in reply to cdf40cda00A-6043-359+00.htm
Re^4: Hi Mutt,
Linda [68.253.20.162]
lbeder@sbcglobal.net
Up to a whole workload of a little over 2 in rehab ... you can see why carrying the clothes basket is a problem ... sheesh. But not as many naps these days & that's good.
as always,
linda
ps I thought you weren't eating hamburger & stuff like that anymore ?
Message 44fd14a2Kpk-6050-657+00.htm, number 44, was posted on Tue Jul 25 '06 at 10:57:31
in reply to 46ab014a0UP-6042-601+00.htm
No problem Will. (nt)
Linda [68.253.20.162]
lbeder@sbcglobal.net
Message 44fd14a2Kpk-6058-447-00.htm, number 45, was posted on Wed Aug 2 '06 at 07:27:58
Military Duty & Lapse in Some Mental Ability
Linda [68.253.20.162]
lbeder@sbcglobal.net
Study Links Military Duty in Iraq to Lapse in Some Mental Ability
By BENEDICT CAREY
A large study of Army troops found that soldiers recently returned from duty in Iraq were highly likely to show subtle lapses in memory and in ability to focus, a deficit that often persisted for more than two months after they arrived home, researchers are reporting today.
But the returning veterans also demonstrated significantly faster reaction times than soldiers who had not been deployed, suggesting that some mental abilities had improved.
The slight deficit, often unnoticed by the soldiers, could make it difficult for some of them to learn and remember information as quickly as they are accustomed to, the authors said. These lapses are more common but less disabling than emotional reactions to combat like depression or post-traumatic stress disorder, the researchers said, and in many cases probably reflect a natural adaptation to life in Iraq, with the reaction time strengthening at the expense of some other mental functions.
“We’re talking about a level of change that is not alarming and shouldn’t send people running to the doctor, but changes that some may notice when they are trying to perform in very demanding contexts” like a challenging civilian job, said the lead researcher, Jennifer J. Vasterling of the Southeast Louisiana Veterans Health Care System and Tulane University.
The study, appearing in The Journal of the American Medical Association, is the first to track carefully such changes in mental functioning over time in soldiers who deployed to a war zone and those who did not.
Researchers tried to measure similar changes in troops after the Persian Gulf war of 1991. Many of those veterans, reporting chronic problems with concentration, suspected that they had been exposed to toxic gases that might have been a cause. But investigators had too little information about them from before they went to war to make meaningful comparisons.
Dr. Andy Morgan, a psychiatrist at Yale, said the new findings, when further tracked over time, could help doctors predict which soldiers will adapt quickly to civilian life and which will have chronic problems adjusting. “This kind of data should help us find early markers of trouble,” Dr. Morgan said, “and help us learn how to intervene if someone is headed for pathology.”
The research team led by Dr. Vasterling administered a battery of mental tests to 654 male and female soldiers who served in Iraq at various times from April 2003 to May 2005. The tests, more than 20 in all, were given before and after deployment, and included one in which participants had to pay close attention to a computer screen as letters flashed by, waiting to flag each F they saw. In another test, they were asked to memorize simple diagrams and try to recreate them 30 minutes later.
The soldiers did significantly worse in tasks that measured spatial memory, verbal memory and their ability to focus than did 307 soldiers who had not been deployed to Iraq.
But the returning soldiers scored about the same as their peers on most of the other tests. And they outperformed those who had not been deployed in a test of reaction time, measured in the fraction of a second it takes to spot a computer icon and react. This finding in itself suggests that the soldiers’ minds had adapted to the dangerous, snap-judgment conditions of war, experts said.
The deficits the soldiers showed “are perhaps better considered as essentially normal coping experiences,” Matthew Hotopf of King’s College London and Simon Wessely of the King’s Centre for Military Health Research, also of London, wrote in an editorial accompanying the article.
In effect, the brain, like the rest of the body, builds the muscles it most uses, sometimes at the expense of other abilities, say psychologists who study short-term memory and concentration. If reaction time is more critical to survival than verbal memory, the brain will devote its limited resources to that mental quickness.
Living for months at a time on adrenaline also affects brain function, soldiers and psychiatrists say. In a coming paper, Dr. Morgan and a team of other researchers found that elite soldiers under intense stress performed no better than pre-teenage children in tests of spatial memory. They recovered their abilities when the threat had subsided.
“We think this prefrontal brain area involved in organization and complex spatial memory is knocked out temporarily by high levels of adrenaline,” Dr. Morgan said.
The New York Times Company
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/296/5/519
Full JAMA article
Message 46ab014a0UP-6059-370+00.htm, number 46, was posted on Thu Aug 3 '06 at 06:10:28
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Good article, thanks sis [no text]
William Cox [70.171.1.74]
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>Study Links Military Duty in Iraq to Lapse in Some Mental Ability
>By BENEDICT CAREY
>A large study of Army troops found that soldiers recently returned from duty in Iraq were highly likely to show subtle lapses in memory and in ability to focus, a deficit that often persisted for more than two months after they arrived home, researchers are reporting today.
>But the returning veterans also demonstrated significantly faster reaction times than soldiers who had not been deployed, suggesting that some mental abilities had improved.
>The slight deficit, often unnoticed by the soldiers, could make it difficult for some of them to learn and remember information as quickly as they are accustomed to, the authors said. These lapses are more common but less disabling than emotional reactions to combat like depression or post-traumatic stress disorder, the researchers said, and in many cases probably reflect a natural adaptation to life in Iraq, with the reaction time strengthening at the expense of some other mental functions.
>“We’re talking about a level of change that is not alarming and shouldn’t send people running to the doctor, but changes that some may notice when they are trying to perform in very demanding contexts” like a challenging civilian job, said the lead researcher, Jennifer J. Vasterling of the Southeast Louisiana Veterans Health Care System and Tulane University.
>The study, appearing in The Journal of the American Medical Association, is the first to track carefully such changes in mental functioning over time in soldiers who deployed to a war zone and those who did not.
>Researchers tried to measure similar changes in troops after the Persian Gulf war of 1991. Many of those veterans, reporting chronic problems with concentration, suspected that they had been exposed to toxic gases that might have been a cause. But investigators had too little information about them from before they went to war to make meaningful comparisons.
>Dr. Andy Morgan, a psychiatrist at Yale, said the new findings, when further tracked over time, could help doctors predict which soldiers will adapt quickly to civilian life and which will have chronic problems adjusting. “This kind of data should help us find early markers of trouble,” Dr. Morgan said, “and help us learn how to intervene if someone is headed for pathology.”
>The research team led by Dr. Vasterling administered a battery of mental tests to 654 male and female soldiers who served in Iraq at various times from April 2003 to May 2005. The tests, more than 20 in all, were given before and after deployment, and included one in which participants had to pay close attention to a computer screen as letters flashed by, waiting to flag each F they saw. In another test, they were asked to memorize simple diagrams and try to recreate them 30 minutes later.
>The soldiers did significantly worse in tasks that measured spatial memory, verbal memory and their ability to focus than did 307 soldiers who had not been deployed to Iraq.
>But the returning soldiers scored about the same as their peers on most of the other tests. And they outperformed those who had not been deployed in a test of reaction time, measured in the fraction of a second it takes to spot a computer icon and react. This finding in itself suggests that the soldiers’ minds had adapted to the dangerous, snap-judgment conditions of war, experts said.
>The deficits the soldiers showed “are perhaps better considered as essentially normal coping experiences,” Matthew Hotopf of King’s College London and Simon Wessely of the King’s Centre for Military Health Research, also of London, wrote in an editorial accompanying the article.
>In effect, the brain, like the rest of the body, builds the muscles it most uses, sometimes at the expense of other abilities, say psychologists who study short-term memory and concentration. If reaction time is more critical to survival than verbal memory, the brain will devote its limited resources to that mental quickness.
>Living for months at a time on adrenaline also affects brain function, soldiers and psychiatrists say. In a coming paper, Dr. Morgan and a team of other researchers found that elite soldiers under intense stress performed no better than pre-teenage children in tests of spatial memory. They recovered their abilities when the threat had subsided.
>“We think this prefrontal brain area involved in organization and complex spatial memory is knocked out temporarily by high levels of adrenaline,” Dr. Morgan said.
> The New York Times Company
> http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/296/5/519
> Full JAMA article
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PTSD, Blood Coagulation & Heart Disease
Linda [75.33.93.119]
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Message 4b215d77Kpk-6073-285-00.htm, number 47, was posted on Thu Aug 17 '06 at 04:45:40
PTSD, blood coagulation & cardiovascular problems
Linda [75.33.93.119]
lbeder@sbcglobal.net
This is an important new finding.
as always,
Linda
Message 46ab177a0UP-6075-208+00.htm, number 48, was posted on Sat Aug 19 '06 at 03:28:23
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Thanks Linda [no txt]
William Cox [70.171.23.122]
wmcox@williamcox.org
>This is an important new finding.
>as always,
>Linda
>